This project intends to thoroughly evaluate the effects of ECN across the edge of the Internet.
We expect much work to take place on the mailing list. Like all bufferbloat.net lists, ecn-sane is an open mailing list, however, given the level of religious advocacy of ECN elsewhere on the Internet, it has several policies that are new to bufferbloat.net.
People will be banned, after 3 warnings, from the email list, for the following reasons:
With a scientific approach there is no need to argue over anything with stress, or to give others coronaries, as it were. There is no shame in being “wrong”, nor everlasting glory in being “right”, about anything, if one yields to well-gathered evidence. There’s just the scientific process. The bulldozer of science.
We suggest this - and a good sense of humor! - as a part of any policy to avoid logical fallacies, and to at least admit or recognize them when we do.
We don’t see too many logical fallacies from this crowd. What we see more often is that we sometimes lack the data to draw certain conclusions, because we don’t always have the time and resources to collect it. So we use our intuition when we have to (and there are some pretty darn good ones in this group), but we do have to be careful about what final conclusions we draw. Assertions and hypotheses for sake of discussion starters should be fine, and we shouldn’t be afraid to be wrong with those, lest we freeze before saying or trying anything. We will try to avoid Argumentum ad baculum, Proof by intimidation, Thought terminating cliche’s, Single cause fallacies, Regression fallacies, Proof by repeated Assertion, and Argument from authority
Prior to now, the 21 one year long bikeshed around ECN has been around - those that favor it, those that favor it with modifications, those that are scared of it, and the vast majority are those that haven’t heard of it and/or don’t care.
Toke Høiland-Jørgensen’s position, at least until he finishes his thesis.
At the moment there is no-one on the red team.
This group is well populated currently outside this project. Members of that group are welcome here so long as they play by the rules.
The PI for this is Dave Taht, as explained in his position paper.
“I think ECN needs to be demonstrated to be needed and useful, especially given BBR.”
– Vint Cerf
This group is well populated currently outside this project. In addition Jake Holland is blue with yellow stripes.
At the moment there should be nobody on the green team.